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Mon, Mar. 31st, 2008, 08:10 pm
well, way to go billary

Tue, Apr. 1st, 2008 03:36 am (UTC)
jonathanchrist

the only surprise to this is that the ultra-cons aren't using it as ammo. or maybe they're saving it hoping she'll beat Obama (who i think they're much more scared of as having a chance to win) and then raise holy hell about it.

Tue, Apr. 1st, 2008 07:23 am (UTC)
wretched_threat

It's old propaganda (this was put out before anyone even thought Obama had a chance to beat Hillary)... though a lone California judge has been trying to push an indictment, Clinton's lawyers can probably hold it off past November, after which it'll become a non-issue, ethics aside

Tue, Apr. 1st, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
holyloki

Why do you label it as propaganda?

I realized it must have been old—but I hadn't seen it.

This is a grand example of the same old self serving politicking we can expect of Hillary Clinton if we put her in office. Have you seen the remake of Apple's '1984' commercial in favor of Obama? Hah!

Wed, Apr. 2nd, 2008 05:53 am (UTC)
wretched_threat

Because it propagates a political argument... it is thus propaganda... as is the apple add... as is the myriad pro-this or that candidate/anti-this or that candidate shlock floating around the internet right now

You could even go so far as to argue that it sticks fairly clearly to the rules of propaganda as expressed by Fitz Hippler (director of "the Eternal Jew") in that it oversimplifies an argument and then repeats the fuck out of it's oversimplification

More central to my own argument, however, is that it's largely irrelevant... It doesn't affect the fact that neither Clinton nor Obama will be able to make significant changes in certain aspects of national policy which lay at the heart of what has in recent years been laid quite bare to anyone paying attention... Neither of them is addressing the systemic apparatae of neo-colonialism which by their inherent nature force the hand of American policy toward neo-imperial ambitions

but they talk a cute talk... which is more than one can say of McCain

Wed, Apr. 2nd, 2008 08:35 am (UTC)
holyloki

I definitely agree that the Apple/Obama ad is propaganda. It was propaganda when it was just an Apple commercial as well.

However, I fail to see how this documentary about Peter Paul's suit against the Clinton's is political. It is strictly about the illegality of their behavior surrounding fundraising, and unless you claim it's a political argument about fundraising, I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like Peter Paul got screwed by their manipulation of the situation, and I think the Clintons' behavior should be considered fairly heavily.

Certainly it is going to be difficult for any president to undo precedent, but it's still encouraging to hear someone claim they want to try. I'd rather that than someone who is resigned to things being the way they are in perpetuity.

Wed, Apr. 2nd, 2008 09:04 pm (UTC)
wretched_threat

It's political in that this documentary, financed by Clinton's conservative opposition, is an effort to detract from her public image. It serves no other purpose. If you want to debate matters of legality, you do it in court. To do otherwise is a political move.

Wed, Apr. 2nd, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
holyloki

The problem is that their claim is that the Clintons have used their political power to pervert the justice system so that there is no just court, when it comes to them. Okay, so it's political.

The government is becoming a pretty roost for the hawks of organized crime.

Wed, Apr. 2nd, 2008 09:53 pm (UTC)
wretched_threat

Every city on the East coast is run by one family of organized crime or another, whether implicitly or explicitly. Washington is no exception, and no one candidate is going to change that.