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Tue, Mar. 18th, 2008, 12:17 pm
A More Perfect Union


I noticed it when I first watched this, but I didn't realize it was particularly notable until I saw the NYT article on the Fed's cut of interest rates: Obama's speech not only casts a message of rationality and hope, but also comes with a bevy of positive upswings in the stock market...

Green Arrows point up.

Wed, Mar. 19th, 2008 05:24 am (UTC)

Thank you for being my all-the-news-that's-fit-to-embed today.

Wed, Mar. 19th, 2008 05:48 am (UTC)

I was reading about the state of his campaign in the Nation, looked for this speech on YouTube, posted it, then the Obama campaign sent it to me via email.

It's pretty damn good. His ability to transcend politicking with straightforward disassembly of an issue is spot on.

Wed, Mar. 19th, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC)
nezzyidy: my opinion

I voted for him but I can't be behind him all the way.
For me, a surprising part of the speech was this:

"Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country -- a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America, a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."

He's basically saying that 190 out of the 192 nations of the UN council as having distorted views. This is evidence that he may act like all the US presidents since Reagan and completely ignore international law. His stance in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is: Fund Israel all the way, and block all UN resolutions for peace as the US has done for 30 years.

I'll still Vote for Obama because he's better than the alternatives, I just know that he will practice imperial foreign policy.

More info:

Thu, Mar. 20th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re: my opinion

It would be foolhardy of Obama to come out against Israel. He has stated very clearly that he is in favor of a two state solution. "The conflicts of the Middle East" doesn't mean just the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israel was a bad idea from the start. That can certainly be agreed upon. They are just as aggressive towards their neighbors and the guerrilla groups that oppose them, in scale, as the US.

I don't see how you can disagree that radical branches of Islam play a substantial role in the social problems of the Middle East—it is just as endemic as fundamentalist Christianity is in our political landscape.

However, I do agree with you that it is unlikely we will see much real change in foreign policy. That is, if by real change you don't mean stopping this war as much as is feasible at this point.

Certainly though, the US under Obama will probably still advance an imperialist, or at least strongarm foreign policy. It probably won't be in his power to change...

What I am more interested in is his domestic policy, as opposed to the complete lack of domestic concern or policy under the Bush administration.

Thu, Mar. 20th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
nezzyidy: Re: my opinion

Wow thanks for that, I think I see your point.

I would agree that radical branches of Islam play a substantial role in social problems of the Middle East. I also believe that western influence has contributed to some of the problems.

The way I see it is that the US has a history of funding radical militia and depending on the political climate the US decides whether or not it wants to continue giving aid/weapons or denounce them and call them terrorists. I am not saying that the US is creating these militia, there have been problems in the area forever.

Yes, the radical religiousness made places like pre 9-11 Iraq and Afghanistan dangerous places however they are both now much worse. The millions displaced is putting strain on all the neighboring countries. Since 9-11 Israel too has taken cue from the US and is not committing war crimes with greater frequency. Now Islamic radical fundamentalism is on the rise and is making places less safe, why is it on the rise? The question is: Is radical fundamentalism the root of the problems in the Middle East? I think that this question is not so clearly "Yes" as Obama would make it seem.

Similarly, Fundamentalist Christianity surely plays a role in our problems, but I can't help but feel that Christianity is often used as a tool by those in power, often accompanied by corporate motives.

I just hope one day we will stop "terrorism" by stopping participation in it.

Thu, Mar. 20th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re: my opinion

"I just hope one day we will stop "terrorism" by stopping participation in it."

I wholeheartedly agree.

Thu, Mar. 20th, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
nezzyidy: Re: my opinion

here is an article written specifically about obama's stance regarding the israeli palestinian conflict.