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Mon, May. 7th, 2001, 03:56 pm
Black Francis

maybe i'm being silly and obsessive, but i guess i feel strongly about the LJ Ts not looking like a corporate logo...I mean, I think people like wearing Tshirts because they're at least somewhat neet, not just because of what it says on them...but anyhow, i made two versions of frank on black since i think most people seem to be wanting a black tshirt. they could be substituted or whatnot if people want that design on a black tee.
to see the pics click on the "read more" link



Mon, May. 7th, 2001 04:47 pm (UTC)
firelegend

I dont like that because A) it isnt used anywere on the site B) it loosk sloppy, but i am probably to conservative..

I suggest!!

you check out the t's at thinkgeek.com, the tend to apeal to a young audience, are smart and have clea nice typography, clearly conveying the point, but are still cool, such as the Kung Foo and Overclocked as examples.. I own many shirts off that site.. and spend a few hundred a year there.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 05:15 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

thinkgeek my case in point. most of the people who have already voted are the dev and surrounding community. you forget there are now over a hundred thousand users...most of which are not geeks and who would rather something less clean and more interesting. the other designs are frankly, boring.
what's wrong with diversification? most band t-shirts aren't from anywhere in an album or a website, yet people wear them. t-shirts shouldn't be a website, because they are filling two different purposes...and while we may want a website to be clean and easily navigatable, the same aesthetic does not promote how we wish to be viewed as a community...unless you want us to look like a corporation. your logic denotes that microsoft windows logos are good looking, amazon shirts should be worn, not to mention things like the nike swoosh strewn across your chest. anyhow, i understand some people agree with you, but i think most of them have already voted...i'm waiting to try to rouse those who aren't readers of news on a consistent basis, and those who use livejournal, but aren't necessarily coders or geeks. the shirts aren't corporate baseball team jerseys, they should make people interested in livejournal, not just dismiss it as one more website t-shirt.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 07:07 pm (UTC)
ntang

How many non-geeks and coders and dev members and other such people do you actually expect to buy the shirt?

I don't mean that as a challenge but as an honest question. A lot of people use LJ but not that many pay for it and even fewer would want to wear LJ-related clothing. I'd be willing to bet there's a good chance that most of the people that didn't vote wouldn't have purchased an LJ t-shirt even if they knew about the voting or the sale.

One concern I have personally for your design is that it's going to be a bitch to print well on a t-shirt. The cost of printing them, and having them come out well would eat rather heavily into the profits - or would jack the price up high enough that we'd lose a lot of sales.

On a more personal note, I have to admit I'm just not a huge fan of it - I don't hate it, but it doesn't do anything for me. Then again, what do I know? I'm just a silly 'digital' developer.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 05:17 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

one more thing...
it looks "sloppy" because it was done with actual paint. i didn't use illustrator or fireworks or photoshop to produce it. it was what we call, analog. and has much more feeling to it thatn any of the other designs. but i forget that all our journals are perfect, and definitely not..."sloppy".

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 05:23 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

one more thing...#3 isn't on the site anywhere either, and the vector drawing is broken in places...it is a broken aesthetic, and not well done.
...i suggest you think about what you have supported before you speak.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 05:33 pm (UTC)
mz: hmm

i like sloppy goatz!

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 05:37 pm (UTC)
firelegend

I did think about it before i spoke, I dont know what #3 your talkin about, i wasnt insulting your art so dont get defensive. My point is I AM a consumer and I spend money at that site and know many others that do. I dont relate the painted goat to the LJ i know, but if you and others do THEN COOL. I dont have a problem with that. I was trying to be helpful... If people like your design then whats the problem? I was simply expressing how i felt, same way you were. Tell me what you didn't see at the site and I will find it and give you a link.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 06:29 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

I'm talking about the shirt design you voted for. It was #3. You should know your votes are public, it's not a blind ballot. If you have a short term memory problem I don't know how you can say you haven't seen my design on the site anywhere...that or you think said standard doesn't apply to your own choices.

I'm not defensive, and I wasn't aggressive until you attacked my design with unfounded logic.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 07:07 pm (UTC)
firelegend

Just because you don’t comprehend my logic does not make it unfounded, nor have you asked for me to go into detail about how I feel, and since I feel a lack of respect from you for the values of others opinions, I won't bother volunteering it.

You are being defensive and keep trying to insult me.. I find that very immature, and I never once talked about my t-shirt of choice.. So how the heck do I know what you’re talking about! I don’t care if it was a blind ballot or not! I have not seen your goat used in the site's identity. Gimmi a link ...


I never said your design was bad, I was talking about it in relation to site identity, and like I also said first off, maybe I am to conservative.. but that's just me.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 07:11 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

You never had to talk about your choice. I just told you it is open information. My point was that what you chose was not used in site identity either, so that's not a valid argument for you to use.

Agins I will say, I am not being defensive, I just like to put up a good fight. It makes for a more interesting unveiling of ideas.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 06:18 pm (UTC)
patrick

Ryan, I love your shirt design. But I don't think we are quite ready for it yet. I think we need a clean, boring shirt now cause that will sell a bit more then artistic shirts like yours. My understanding is that we only can have one design right now, but once it sells well we will have more options. I think your shirt should be the second one we make.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 06:31 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

I don't think so. I think maybe the geeks designing the site might buy a shirt that looks like a clean easy-to-navigate website, but when marketed to the rest of LiveJournal I think an interesting design will sell more. I think it's unfortunate to tell people they have to buy a shitty shirt before they can have one people might actually wear. Sorry, I just think this whole thing is really stupid, and those designs are definitely not what LJ is about.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 06:42 pm (UTC)
patrick

Well, the fact of the matter is that there was a poll and only several hundred users voted on it. The vast majority of the users on this site are not adding their input in this matter.

If we put up 500 shirts to sell and all 500 of them sell like hotcakes, then the potential of selling other designs will have been shown.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 06:52 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

Right, which is why I'm trying to get more of the population of LiveJournal to vote...I mentioned how only the dev community and people who are active in that and read news mostly knew. I think there is a large population which would be interested which didn't receive the poll...I'm just trying to get more people to vote, because regardless of what they vote (I don't want anyone to vote for mine just because I'm alerting them of the poll), I think my design is far more interesting and positive toward the site and what it stands for, and I think the more people that vote the better off my design will do. [shrug] Better to sell good shirts to start with than disappoint people to start with, so why not try to spread the poll to more than .5% of LiveJournal? More people paid for accounts than that.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 07:08 pm (UTC)
patrick: Viva la livejournal!

yes, exactly. and this is a broader issue then just people not voting for the shirt. people have the chance to be part of how this site runs, but most people are completely unaware of the news journals.

I am all for you linking the poll in your journal. the more people we can get involved, the better.

Mon, May. 7th, 2001 07:12 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re: Viva la livejournal!

Totally. I'm all for what I hear in the grapevine about linking the news journal to the news mailing people said they want to receive. : )
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Mon, May. 7th, 2001 10:34 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

I agree...why would we wear shirts that are cookie cutter if within LJ we are trying to proclaim our individuality, creativity and open-mindedness? You are absolutely right.
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Mon, May. 7th, 2001 11:00 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

well, honestly they plan on making my design one of the very next to print, they are all just fearful that with a design as far from association with the site would not be attractive to people, and yet i believe it is just the population that has voted which is causing the difference. after the first round of shirts are successful, my design is basically next in line to be printed...I'm not worried, i just think we shouldn't print something boring to start with because it will really be less successful than something everyone will feel comfortable wearing and not just those involved with development of the site. while a logo may feel comfortable to someone who feeels like they have built what that logo is, others who are merely users of livejournal do not want a shirt that seems like a corporate advertisement, they want something which is interesting and conveys the feeling of the site and the community they are a part of, not the image and clarity of a website. I also think the "open source/journal/minds thing is a turn off to a lot of people who aren't programmers and don't care about open source...it needs to be less pretentious and advertisal to accomodate for the majority of users preferences.

Sun, May. 20th, 2001 07:47 pm (UTC)
ibrad

Wow! I must say, that is VERY beautiful.

The only thing I don't like is the slightly skewed text--it doesn't need to be such a brazen advertisement. It would be much more dramatic if it were jsut your beautifully done goat on the front and a tagline on the back. Then people would be curious.

Sun, May. 20th, 2001 09:08 pm (UTC)
holyloki: Re:

That's very easily done...we shall see ; )